Subject: Caregivers Digest V2 #170 Subject: ADMIN - dead time starts in 37 hrs Subject: My "Old Fart" Is a Little Achy Today Subject: Ben, his rules and me, don't read it if you don't want to Subject: Fw: (no subject) Subject: (no subject) Subject: Dawn Subject: May 28/98 Subject: Re: Ben, his rules and me, don't read it if you don't want to Subject: To the happy house hunters... Subject: Re: To the happy house hunters... Subject: Re: May 28/98 - Bills post Subject: Re: TO JIM Re: Steve's Home!!! Subject: Re: Murilla Subject: Re: viagra, etc.... Subject: Murilla, Subject: Larry, my dear Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 06:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (533 lines of text) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:21:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:27:25 EDT Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:40:52 -0400 Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 1:35 PM Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:03:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:13:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:29:59 EDT Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:42:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:10:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:20:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:38:26 EDT Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:57:56 EDT Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:09:30 PDT Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:10:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:27:57 PDT From: owner-caregivers-digest From: Ben From: Ben From: Steve From: YaDawn From: "charles From: Alivepoz From: Jill From: larson From: MARKAZA From: "J From: Ann From: Ann From: JFlor44073 From: Murillam From: "Brenda From: "J From: "Brenda Caregivers Digest Friday, May 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 170 In this issue: ADMIN - dead time starts in 37 hrs My "Old Fart" Is a Little Achy Today Ben, his rules and me, don't read it if you don't want to Fw: (no subject) Dawn May 28/98 Re: Ben, his rules and me, don't read it if you don't want to To the happy house hunters... Re: To the happy house hunters... Re: May 28/98 - Bills post Re: TO JIM Re: Steve's Home!!! Re: Murilla Re: viagra, etc.... Murilla, Larry, my dear To unsubscribe, follow the instructions in your welcome message, or visit http://www.queernet.org and click the "Unsubscribe from 'caregivers-digest'" button. Write to the list manager at owner-caregivers-digest at sibyllineofbooks.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Subject: ADMIN - dead time starts in 37 hrs A Dead Time will occur this weekend, while changes are made to the electronic linkage within the queernet system. Please get your messages sent before the time begins and please wait till after it ends to send more. We hope that this hiatus will not inconvenience you too much. 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Ben From: Ben listmanager, caregivers listmanager, caregivers-digest (two ways of receiving the same messages) Return address: ben at aidsinfobbs.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:21:40 -0400 From: Steve Subject: My "Old Fart" Is a Little Achy Today Dear friends, It's good to have the old man home again, though he woke up achy, bitching in a lot of pain, and seems as if he may have picked up a cold in the hospital. (It's a wonder he didn't catch anything more severe.) Been on the phone all morning to find a nice and comfortable place for real soon. I selected 20 places from the papers, and am leaning toward one which I have a late appointment tomorrow to see. It's over near The Philadelphia Museum of Art and right on the park: huge 1 bedroom apartment on the first floor, with nice old moldings, stained glass windows, a Madgen tile working fireplace, hardwood floors, large kitchen, washer and dryer, plenty of fresh air and sunlight, and a huge outside space. The rent's a bit high... $625.00 including heat... and everything is gas rather than having am enormous monthly electric bill. But whatever the electric bill, Steve is on a budget and only has to pay $65.00 monthly. The only drawbacks are that there is no AC, nor a dishwasher, but the landlord said he give us a window unit for the bedroom, and my mom has an extra one for the living room. If it doesn't cost too much, I'll buy ceiling fans and have them installed to keep the air circulating. So at least we're moving right along, and my subsidy should come through real soon as the maximum rental "cap" for two persons in a unit is $720.00, rather than $570.00 for a single person. Will write more later, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:27:25 EDT From: YaDawn Subject: Ben, his rules and me, don't read it if you don't want to Caregivers, Ben and I have exchanged a good amount of e-mail in the last few days. I don't know if my post that got me in trouble made it or not. It was a fairly long note about my feelings and experience caring for severely abused children and viagra. He did say that this is not the "right" list for me to be on. I realize this is his list. AND SO...................... I DO NOT agree with Ben at all, however it is his list. My feelings on this are divided. I do feel like my rights are being violated by being censored. However I realize the list is his. I guess it is like I have freedom of speech but I am on his property. I do consider the internet to be public but the caregivers list is his. So is this a public place or his livingroom....... Seems to me it was his choice to build his livingroom in a public park. That (to me) means I will respect his rules to a degree but I also feel I have the right to expect some respect in return. I have not and will not ever make a personal attack on Ben or anyone else on this list. However I am a caregiver of an hiv + child AND I am much more than that as well. Including a professional caregiver of severely abused children. If I can not speak my mind at all concerning things that touch my life I cant't give to or gain anything from the caregivers on this list or any other censored list. I hope I can co-exisist with the rules and the list. My life is very full and it does not all relate to hiv. One of his concerns is that people will drop from the list if we talk off topic. About recipes or child abuse................. I have no idea who Ben is but it sounds like he maybe much older than I am or his thinking is anyway. It sounds like the thinking from when HIV/AIDS was a "gay man's" disease. It is a very different time now. It is not just a gay disease or a drug users disease. Now it is an illness that touches the lives of all mankind. Including the lives of abused children and professional caregivers like me. In fact in my area they have a hard time even finding homes for the children who are infected and UNINFECTED children who's parents are +. It is my opinion that times have changed and will change so much in the next ten years that no one will be untouched by hiv. Not everyone will be infected of course but I do believe everyone will be touched in some way. My Mom and in-laws never dreamed we, their children would be so deeply touched. We are straight, married, white,don't use drugs, college educated and the list goes on and on. We were not supposed to be "at risk". The only thing we did was want more children. We waited on a waiting list for several years then started to take court placements just to have more children. There are hundreds if not thousands of upper class white families waiting to adopt. Not all of those children will be healthy. What about the children left behind when infected parents are gone? The caregivers on this list are a part of the big and changing world. Including the changing world of hiv. I feel we/they can only benifit from being open to changes and listening to each other. There was a time when women could not vote. Blacks had to stay apart from whites. Jewish people were kept in camps. There was also a time when child abuse was a dirty thing that should not be talked about. Times have changed, read the newspaper or watch the news tonight. OR you could just choose to read some of what I have to say now and then. Ben I will be careful. One of the rules it to keep it short, sorry, so I better stop. Thanks for listening if you made it to the end of this. Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:40:52 -0400 From: "charles Subject: Fw: (no subject) Friends - this may be worth looking at. Rev'd Charles H. Lee http://home.att.net/~mrchashlee - ---------- From: Alivepoz To: MRCHASHLEE at worldnet.att.net Cc: LITTLEBRITCHES2 at prodigy.net; NCPozman at prodigy.net; davidhwest at worldnet.att.net; ZetasBase at aol.com; Phubby at aol.com; bnallen at mcdowell.main.nc.us; Ncmtnkat at aol.com Subject: (no subject) Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 1:35 PM This is a link to a useful sight recently published on the Crix-List The Clinical Management of HIV/AIDS: Drug-Drug Interactions Hope you find it useful, and please pass it on. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:03:25 -0400 From: Jill Subject: Dawn So pleased to learn that it was all a false alarm! I didn't think dear Ben could possibly have made such a silly decision. And I do agree, we must be free to discuss anything we wish - and not take offence if anyone feels the need to object to a topic (within commonsense limits, of course!) So - I hope Dawn is with us now. Hello Dawn! Are you there? Love Jill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JLamede http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jlamede ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:13:24 -0800 From: larson Subject: May 28/98 Howdy Caregivers, :] First off I'd like to say this group of people who $ub$cribe to this li$t have been a GREAT source of many things to me. One thing that strikes me right off is that the people who do take the time to post when they do are always thoughtfull < as caregivers are >, about what they say. It's a *safe* place most times and as such it continues to make me feel at home, sorta like a Coffee Clutch < sp? >, in someones living room. In this case it's Ben's Livingroom. Even if Ben isn't the one serving Coffee at one time or another the Livingroom is always available and someone else brings you a Cupa' with each new posting. < smile >. Right now I'm the one serving Coffee. Will that be double cream and a little sugar ? < ohhh I can just see Mark thinking on this one < LOL >. I sometimes feel guilty in not posting enough, but then I also realise that what I do post when I have the time is enough. Heck if I set my mind to it I could Flood your email box's with all kinds of Jokes/Recipies/Comments/ info/musings/words, etc. but I wouldn't want to bore the ahmmmm S*it outa ya'll . Even if it would help some of you from not having to use a supository instead. My rambling on when I do post is enough . It's been nonstop Rain here for the last few days and has had me in a dammed poor mood as I want so much to get out into the Garden to work it. Heck this is one of my pet peves. My green thumb is getting moss on it due to the weather. I'll just have to bide my time and work the garden when Mother Nature see's fit to let a little sunshine shine down on this place I call Home. :] I met a couple who live accross the street who are retired and in poor health. So it looks like I'll be helping them when it's needed. Saturday May yelled for me to come over. She had a handheld Rototiller she wanted to give me. What a sweet Lady. It's a Electric model about the size of one of those fishing line grass trimmers. Not much power but will do the job on soil that is loose. May and Bill < the neibours I just met > have gone on Vacation and so their Daughter as a surprise is there cleaning the house. May can't do much due to her heart and a few other problems. I hope to be able to cut the grass if this rain ever stops long enough so they'll < well Bill > won't have to deal with that when they return from their Vacation. May & Bill are such a great couple and were the first to welcome me to the neibourhood. After the last year it's so good to have friendly neibours and live life normally < whatever Normal is >. Well Caregivers I've rambled on long enough so I'll close this email and send it off with LOVE to U all. Befor I hit the send button I'd like to say thanks to Brenda for the help she's given me in reguards to my sisters 'putor prob.s and also to Ms J for the correction on the colour Red. Much appreciated. :] I'm also thankfull that this matter of the Un$ub'd is all cleared up as it did trouble me and I Value her posting's. All in all it's been a good week. Mark has his Hubby back home and Larry has his Hubby at home with good results too. Ann is posting and Bob is now reconnected via the address that was needed. Now all I need to do is think on how I can help Jim on selling his Pillows, so he can keep them houses going and filled, . *>HUGZ<* Bill Larson at Vancouverbc.net =================== MOTIVATIONAL NOTE Are you putting your dreams and life on hold? Too often people get side tracked because of life's setbacks and disappointments. A broken heart, money is funny, change is strange, credit won't get it, health issues, dead ends, twists and turns in life can discourage you. Just don't let it defeat you. You gotta get back in the game of life. You got game! You got God! You got goals! When the tough gets going don't go and give up. Come on! Shake it off! You know what you've got to do. Think positive. Be self-motivated to take action, follow through on what you start and dream. The energy, people and resources you need will show up ...when you show up! - -- Jewel Diamond Taylor, Motivational Speaker/Author JewelDiam at aol.com =======================END================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:29:59 EDT From: MARKAZA Subject: Re: Ben, his rules and me, don't read it if you don't want to I agree with you. You should be able to speak about whatever you have feelings and concerns about. It is Bens list,and I can respect that . However, not everything we feel or do has to do with AIDS, we also need to be able to vent,laugh or cry on this list also. My husband is an AIDS survivor but that also affects all of our aspects of the life we live. Our jobs,family,sanity,religious beliefs,HMO's,Dr's,and people who we come in contact with. so YOU GO GIRL!!:) If other people dont want to read it, they dont have to all they have to do it delete it. hugs marcie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:42:51 -0500 From: "J Subject: To the happy house hunters... Mark and Steve, I hope you find the perfect place to move to. The one you spoke of sounds great... I can just see it... near the museum and park wow what fun! Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:10:04 +0000 From: Ann Subject: Re: To the happy house hunters... Mark, The apartment sounds wonderful! I know that whichever place you choose, it will be lovely and fun just like your old place. Does this one by the museum have a garden? You really need one. You and Steve are both garden people and Max would love to have a place to hang out outdoors. Is Max glad to have Steve home again? You mentioned Steve and how he may have picked up a bug, but you have not mentioned yourself. How are you feeling? Drinking plenty of water? I send love Andee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:20:11 +0000 From: Ann Subject: Re: May 28/98 - Bills post So nice to hear from you, Bill. Thanks for the inspirational blurb. It is very nice. You are doing well, I see, from how busy you are these days. Keep it up. I agree with you regarding Ben and his livingroom. Ben is a good man and a very fair one, as I said since the beginning. I don't remember him having ever asked anyone to leave and I have been here for a long time. Ben is a caregiver from 'way back. I will defend him to all ends. If he were to "throw off" people everytime there was something inappropriate or stupid said, I would have been long gone years ago. Ben reads all the posts and know I really care about him and appreciate what he is doing. Thanks, Ben. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:38:26 EDT From: JFlor44073 Subject: Re: TO JIM Re: Steve's Home!!! Steve, Speaking of which I just got in from Philly and need to PPPPPPPP. Had to go to Eagleville and Eugenia Hospitals and pick up new clients. Got lost coming out of Eugenia and ended up in center city. Got to see a really nice section of Philly that I haven't been to before. Chestnut Hill. It's really nice there. Love yous, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:57:56 EDT From: Murillam Subject: Re: Murilla Jeanne, When he was here on Sunday, he looked and felt terrible, the runs (easier to spell), no appetite. He has lost 16 pounds in 3 weeks. He is also moving to a larger apartment and with a new roommate. At least he is busy doing his thing and won't be so stressed about my move. Garage sale on Saturday, then it's Goodwill for a ton of stuff and then the movers. Chet returns to NIH this Wed. and that usually stresses him but he gets such good care and attention that he is usually in a great mood when he returns. I will see him tomorrow. If I think about all the memories this house harbors, I get sad so I just keep moving and try not to think. I believe things will be easier when the split is final and I can come home from work and not have the stress that living under the same roof but separate has been this past year. Hugs from hot Tally, Murilla ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:09:30 PDT From: "Brenda Subject: Re: viagra, etc.... Devan, Don't make out my Badge of Bravery just yet, it is day camp from 8 to 5. But I am still looking forward to the week off of work, although not looking forward to the hole in my paycheck!! Love, Brenda >Received: from queernet.queernet.org (queernet.queernet.org [140.174.78.69]) by dorothy.queernet.org (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id AAA21686 >Received: (from listserv at localhost) by queernet.queernet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18095; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:21:14 -0700 (PDT) >X-Authentication-Warning: queernet.queernet.org: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue-dot >X-Authentication-Warning: queernet.queernet.org: Processed by listserv with -C /etc/sendmail-dot.cf >Received: from mailsorter-104.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.94]) by queernet.queernet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18082; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: devan >Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.95]) by mailsorter-104.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id TAA00700; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:13:09 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.216]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id TAA11671; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:12:55 -0700 (PDT) >Received: (from production at localhost) by mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.gso.26Feb98) id TAA26123; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <199805270212.TAA26123 at mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> >Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:12:54 -0400 >To: caregivers at sibyllineofbooks.com >Subject: Re: viagra, etc.... >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) >Sender: owner-caregivers at sibyllineofbooks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: caregivers at sibyllineofbooks.com > >Hi Brenda!! Just wanted to say have fun on your Weebelow camping trip!! >Sounds like you're in for quite the adventure!! I have a Brownie Girl >Scout troop, and we took them on a few over-nighters this year, and as >worried as I was, they were all fine. I can honestly say that I >actually even had fun!!! I've never done more than one night -- you're >doing a whole week? I guess you're braver than I am!! Just kidding -- >you'll have fun!! Good luck and let us all know how you made out!! > >Devan > >"Sometimes all a person needs is a hand to hold and a heart to >understand" > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:10:11 -0500 From: "J Subject: Murilla, The move is going to do wonders for your stress level... and you will just have yourself to pick up after. Now is the time to make new memories. There were, I am sure, many good times in the house but now the marriage has moved on and you must do the same. It is good that Chet is occupied. I hope you both make it through the moves with a minimum of stress. Take care of yourself ... now it is time for Murilla. Quiet times, reflective times, restful times to regroup. Love you gal! Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:27:57 PDT From: "Brenda Subject: Larry, my dear Larry, Just wanted to drop you a quick note to tell you i love you guys and am praying stubbornly for you. So much in fact that today an angel told me to shut up already they got the request!!!! So never fear dear one you are being taken care of by the best doctor there is. BTW I hope Ric found something both sexy and sensible on his quest for new drawers. I was picturing a racy little mesh thong with a zipper in front!! Can you see that?? Love to you both and warm thoughts of health. God Bless, Brenda ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of Caregivers Digest V2 #170 ********************************