Subject: Re: The Group Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:55:47 -0500 (EST) (67 lines of text) From: Yola Chambers About the quality of this reflector. On Mon, 2 Dec 1996 Facpat at aol.com wrote: > This "rethink" list is an outgrowth of the original Group for the Scientific > Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis. > > The original statement of the group is as follows: > "It is widely believed by the general public that a retrovirus called HIV > causes the group of diseases called AIDS. Many biomedical scientists now > question this hypothesis. We propose that a thorough reappraisal of the > existing evidence for and against this hypthesis be conducted by a suitable > independent group. We further propose that critical epidemiological studies > be devised and undertanken." > > Those who are discussing treatment modalities based on the HIV model > therefore have no place here and are undermining the work that needs to be > done in the reappraisal process. You should have included: Those who have chosen to hurl insults at others by calling them homophobes etc... have no place here either. First of all, Fred darling, with all due respect, many of your responses are quite hostile. I can safely say that Paul is not a homophobe, and even if he was, what does that have to do with what *you* stated above? Neither Paul, nor anyone else on this reflector, as far as I can see, has supported eugenics or ethnic cleansing...etc in the name of science. Therefore, there really is no need for pointing fingers, jumping to conclusions, or making false accusations about who's a homophobe or anything else. There is ESPECIALLY no need for discussing who performs fellatio on whoever! Now tell me that doesn't doesn't reduce the quality of discussion on this reflector! Paul was innocently telling everyone about his trip and how much fun he had. That's all. If I went to a gay bar, and had fun, I'm sure I'd go home and tell my friends how much fun I had, just like when I go to a straight club, and have fun, I come home and tell my friends how much fun I had. What Paul was saying was innocent. There's nothing to read in to, here. Anyways who cares! I'm a lurker on this reflector, because I want to learn about meaningful things. I have seen people get "beat up" on this reflector for asking too many questions about things that have been discussed in the past. But the whole "Here we go again" debate was okay. No thanks, I'll watch Jerry Springer for that. Paul, I totally understand your reasons for replying to Fred. I have the same temperment. But at the same, don't ever allow yourself-and you didn't-to stoop down to Fred's level. I don't understand your bitterness Fred, nor do I see any point in trying to. Please keep it to yourself. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but you're just plain abusive! What's up with you, man? There's no reason to lash out at others the way you do. It's cruel and embarrassing. I do in fact find a lot of your input informative, but your attitude really takes away from the strong and valid points that you make. As for everyone else, if you see that anyone is reducing the quality of discussion on this reflector, don't encourage it, just ignore it. We're all adults. Think before you speak and try to stay focussed. Ciao for now Yola